Dear Kaptin M. I read your post with some interest. Did I tread on your last nerve or something? Your re-print of my post is a first for me, I have never been quoted in anything before. (I will happily accept the obvious slanging that that statement will bring) No Sir, I am sorry but you neither understand logical argument nor english grammar. I have never said that the Management won in Australia, I would not use a win/lose relationship in such a matter. No one wins an argument. Everybody lost. But the biggest losers, as usual, are the folk who could least afford it. My points are, part time union management must be tightly controlled by the members, the dispute in Cathay has become so blurred as to have lost credibility, the actions taken by the union against the company over the last 8 years were proving ineffective and following union activity escalation the company retaliated and 50 odd of our fellow aircrew lost their jobs. The action taken by the union against pilots who legally joined the company was dreadfully poorly thought out (ASL). The ineffective moderation by the union against vitriolic posts and unsubstantiated lists (Scab and non-union pilots) on their web site is un professional. Unions must pick their fights or lose. The hiring ban is a joke.