you've never gone on det with the engineers and done a bit of no ranks team building ?
Cornish,
As it happens, I've done plenty - my post was entirely tongue-in-cheek as, I suspect, was yours. Like you, I've seen both good and bad relations between aircrew and groundcrew at different units and fully agree with your comments about resulting unit effectiveness (though my experience is on RW rather than FJ). Sadly, there are too many people (on both sides of the house) who are more interested in one-upmanship...