Guys, I agree the 4000 was slow out of the blocks, just like the 787 dreamliner, however word has it from pilots flying the later serial # that the 4000 is one hell of a machine! Time will tell, watch this space, the 4000 might just be the what HBC needs in future! And I agree with B200Drvr, the 900 is as far removed from a HS125 as the 738 is from a 732! Maybe the Hawkers kicked some dust in someones face?