mad_jock - care to explain exactly what you mean by 'self funders definitely had a hairy arsed look about them'?! if all you want to do is slag people off when you don't even know them, pi*s off and do it somewhere else. i could mention a few things about modular students and sponsored students, but i don't think i'll lower myself to your level. and yes, i'm one of the 'hairy arsed self-funders' you talk about so fondly, and also happen to be a 'bird'.