There are a lot of rumors about upgrade and very little actual communication about it. If you require information here you have to dig for it most of the times and that seems to change daily. Most of the initial FO's that I know had well over 4,000 hours and some up to 11,000 hours. The ball buster will be if you have to have 1,000 with FD in order to meet the mins for upgrade. With and average of 55 hrs a month and 6 weeks vacation that is about 578 hours a year and that will take about 20 months before a first officer meets the mins for upgrade. I know some of you are thinking "well it would take longer at other places to upgrade" well the simple fact is this isn't other places and most chose to come here based off of assurances of good rosters, good pay and quick upgrade meaning better pay. Well, none of that is happening and while camp happy is small here and tends to be on the new arrivals most are not happy, but are still holding out hope for improvements but not holding their breath for it to happen. A lot of guys here are looking towards the future to find their way out. Those who have been here a year or longer have not seen improvements, rather a decline in the potential of a great place to work. There are many growing opportunities out there for pilots right now that would be far superior than coming to false hope. Many of us here continue to get emails, calls, and offers for positions elsewhere and I am sure within the next year many guys will seriously question why they are still here. FD will have difficulties in the near future finding guys to come here but as long as they are getting pilot's nothing will change. As one airline CEO has said, " I must be paying these guys too much, classes are still full" they were the lowest paid pilots in the industry. We are our worst enemy. If you choose to come here that is fine but it must be based on fact not fiction and coming here you have to except all the problems that go along with your decision. Keep your options open and talk to the guys that are working at you potential employer before you make a decision. Best of luck