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Old 18th Aug 2010, 16:40
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Absolutely . By coincidence I am working on a serie of accidents regarding a perticular type of high perforfance ultra-light .
On this type ( or better said this perticular wing profile aimed at attaining high speeds during cruise ) the rotation speed without flaps is much higher than with flaps 1. If you unitentionally attempt to take off without flaps at the "normal" usual speed. you will take off due to ground effect, then if you keep the nose up as you normally do, , the a/c will stall at around 10-15 ft , normally sharply with one wing down, the result being always fatal for the occupants.

On a reported incident ( unitentional falpless take off ) on this perticular type, accident was prevented, when the pilot regognised the pre-stall condition and lowered the nose to level above the runway , until more speed was gained. Obvious but not that simple.

Regognising a pre stall condition will be the focus of training on this perticular type, but you have 2 -3 seconds max to play with. I am not sure how much time the Spanair crew had on the MD80 , and if they received a similar training to detect pre-stall conditions, or if indeed a MD80 do "warns" before it stalls.
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