Charlie, you don't have to be a unionist to stick together. Its called commonsense, and noted another post, regarding management. Which way do they go? Having been in management (Pilot) it is one thing to have a half a dozen disgruntled blokes come to see you with what they see is a problem, it is a whole new ball game to have a couple of thousand drivers, all with the s%$ts. They are going to have to deal with it, and to stand against it, will see them out on a limb, not a comfortable position to be in, in fact they will be caught between a rock and a hard place. That is when the negotiating will start, and you people will have to be ready. So be definite with what you want, and go for it. Good luck.