Centaurus,
Originally Posted by Centaurus
Not quite sure about your assessment on that accident.
I said:
Originally Posted by PBL
2009: Turkish. The report said that there was no altitude for stall recovery. There was lots wrong with their handling before the AC stalled
Let me rephrase. The report said on pp 6-7 that when the aircraft stalled "the height remaining ... was insufficient for a recovery". There was lots wrong with their handling before the AC stalled. There were also other things wrong which did not concern their handling. Better?
Mansfield,
I didn't think we were talking about LOC accidents in general. As far as I can tell, BOAC is mainly concerned, not about LOC accidents in general, but about a specific kind of LOC accident. But if we are, then of the list I gave, many are LOC accidents. Let me specifically indicate those I think are LOC, although there is room for quibbling:
2007:
01.01 Adam Air, B737, Indonesia, Departure from cruise flight
09.01 Aeriantur, An-26B, Iraq, Crashed on Approach
05.05 Kenya, B737, Cameroon, Descent into terrain after TO
23.07 Djibouti, An-26, Ethiopia, Engine failure on climb out
2008:
20.08 Spanair, Madrid, TO accident
24.08 Itek B737, Bishkek, Approach to Landing
14.09 Aeroflot Nord, B737, Perm, Approach to Landing
30.06, Ababeel, Il-76, Sudan, Crashed after TO, perhaps engine fire
06.07 USA Jet Airlines, DC-9, Saltillo, Mexico, "crashed on a road 800m from airport". Not said whether TO or landing
27.11 XL Airways, A320, Perpignan, LOC during acceptance testing
2009:
Scheduled Passenger
25.02 Turkish, B737, Amsterdam, Approach to Landing
12.02 Colgan, Q400, Approach to Landing
01.06 Air France, A330, Departure from Cruise Flight
30.06 Yemenia, A310, near Moroni, Approach to Landing
15.07, Caspian, Tu 154M, Departure from Cruise Flight
04.08 Bangkok, ATR-72, Thailand, Lost control after landing
09.03 Aerolift, Il-76, Entebbe, Crashed on TO
23.03 FedEx, MD-11 Tokyo, LOC on landing
26.05 Service Air, An-26, Congo, Approach to Landing (short final)
21.09, Sudan Airways, Boeing 707, Sharjah, crash after TO
01.11 Russian Interior Ministry, Il-76, apparent LOC on TO
28.11 Avient, MD-11, Shanghai, LOC after tailstrike on TO
2010:
25.01 Ethiopian, B737, nr Beirut, Departure from Climbout after TO
12.05 Afriqiyah, A330, Tripoli, Approach to Landing
That is 24 from 39. Over half and just under 2/3 of all fatal accidents to large commercial aircraft in the period. Even if I take out those about which I am unsure, there are still 18 sure LOCs, just under 1/2. It is widely agreed that LOC has taken over from CFIT as being the largest fatal-accident category. It is also an issue for the military. NASA has been working on LOC for a while, I understand, but I didn't know Don Bateman was working on it also.
BOAC has stressed, if I understand him right, that he is most interested in high-AoA departures which involve automatic trim movement not necessarily clearly annunciated to the pilot. As I said earlier, that appears to be 2 or 3 of those 39.
BOAC,
Originally Posted by BOAC
I have the time but after your second paragraph I'm fresh out of motivation
Pity.
PBL