touch.... am not going to get into a slagging match....will continue to say that it could have happen to any crew... would be arrogant to presume otherwise.... the crew were never infact taken to task for poor airmanship.... contrary ...all that heard the FDR have concurred that it was the most professional flight deck they have heard right up to point of impact......(granted i wasnt privy to the FDR playback when I was in sin)