Crikey, it's 36 years since I was a techie on 228 and I remember Horace. A true gentleman in every sense of the word. Talking about the 'older end' (of which I'm very much one myself now!) what happened to Arthur Vine, QFI on 228? I always remember strapping Arthur in when some Luftwaffe F4's were taxying in and Arthur said in his laconic way 'Look at that, I was shooting at those buggers 30 years ago'.