Come of it Tulips, you know what I mean. If you can't fly ILS then you still fly non precision or even visual approaches with the autopilot, certainly flying manual circling approaches in difficult conditions has proved time and time again to be dangerous! 3D sat nav will take care of the lot, won't be long, in the meantime when I'm down the back I keep my fingers crossed that we haven't got a macho pilot up front.