james ozzie, there are a plethora of boards out there devoted solely to physics.
Why you feel the need to start pilots/ground staff/etc. arguing physics issues is way beyond me.
Hence Agaricus bisporus' apt reply, and one of my maxims:
First step if you ever thinking about entering in an argument with a physicist: make sure you're a physicist...
And another: Wikipedia is no substitute for a 4 year degree.