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Old 20th May 2010, 12:19
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from the evidence we already have, the conditions on the day were benign and well within the certification envelope

the crew were considered to be above-average pilots

that's the weather and crew taken care of, I guess .. now, what are your views on the other considerations ... for which we have, as yet, not much information of which I am aware .. ?

My money is firmly on crew error

I knew neither of the crew so I have no view on their abilities or standards. Regardless, has there been any hard evidence presented to date to suggest that they made an error ? The ATSB may discover that that was the case but, in the meantime, I think that we are better served keeping our counsel on matters of total speculation ? While not particularly wanting to get into speculation, I think it might be interesting to see what the investigation digs up in respect of aircraft systems and C&T systemic problems.

however, a smart check pilot will never allow this to happen in the first place

The sensible instructor will endeavour to do so .. however, sometimes strength and timing wins out .. I recall a mate who, as a helo instructor, couldn't prevent a student's mishandling of the collective during an autorotate flare with unfortunately predictable results. I like Tee Emm's attitude .. why put yourself in a potentially very marginal situation if you don't really need to do so ? History indicates that many fatals have been associated with training to avoid the fatal being trained for .. if that makes sense ..

While never having flown as a military pilot, I have had extensive involvement with such folk both in and out of the military .. I'm a tad confused as to why we are moving into military versus civil arguments ?
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