ok - not keeping my eye on it, just got talking to a lad who flew into our airfield the other day and recognised the name of the organisation. Got to admit that cirrus deal sounds ok but can't believe many train in one and if it's all group membership then that's all above board anyway. That's the point - all I was trying to say was that I was right last year - this lad said he was lucky to get some time for a landaway in as weekends were getting chocker with training. Didn't seem fair to me and he wasn't too chuffed as he seemed to think he'd signed a contract for a max of 20 members. If I could get people to pay the running costs for my business while preventing them from using what they're paying me for I'd be happy too. Therein lies the naivety. Hundred's of hours at £80/hr - so you've spent £16000-£24000+ with that organisation??