Mitten....you will notice I had "over gross" in quotes.....felt like leaving it simple.....basic idea is if you can't pick it up normally....then cut the load back...wait till you burn some fuel...come back when it is cooler...or better wind...or something. Your point about being overgross sure 'nuff is taken....and I am well aware of that. In the old Alouette you could overpitch due to being overgross and the machine handled just fine except for the overtorque on the tranny and tail rotor, et al.