I certainly hope the pay is going up for the guys staying in the business. Turkish is offering, for a B777 Captain, what I made 15 years ago on an MD-80 working 3 on 4 off domestic. And no, for the inevitable wise guys, the company is not out of business, did not go into bankruptcy, nor did they steal the pensions. The pay has to go back to at least where it was and hopefully up.