I say Mr Seilfly, you American chaps are awfully spoilt, when you travel outside the goold old US of A you will find lots of twin NDB thingys and even worse. What has always puzzled me is they never seem to line up with the R/W. Melbourne in Aus, R/W 16 is a rare exception. When flying in the US on the 'NAV RAD' page there is no NDB to enter manually, always seems odd to me that you lot never use 'em.