This is the aspect of this place that I like. Regardless of the sh*t fights that always ensue in these forums after an accident or major incident, once the forum gets rolling and experienced guys such as J_T start posting a lot can be learnt. If only one person walks away with new useful knowledge then these posts have served a purpose. If subsequently that knowledge saves lives down the track then accidents such as these, although tragic, are not in vane and forums like this are worthwhile. When you look at Australian aviation regulations and the background of how they came about (such as the Coffee Royal Affair), you see that these regs are written in blood and it is unfortunate that new regulations will be written (most likely) on the basis of this accident too. I think that this certainly won't be the last either.