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Old 8th July 2002 | 10:03
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Pandora
 
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Deadey Dick,

I agree that your questions are relevant and I fully understand that I would be responsible if an incident occurred. However I do seem to have a problem with this one captain and it was to prevent it happening again that I asked my questions here.

To answer your first question; of the two instances I mentioned, one took the correct flight planned fuel but nothing more, though I would have liked more. The second took a bit below flight planned fuel and when I expressed discomfort my relatively small amount of experience was held up for comparison by the captain to his decades of flying without killing himself. I know that these are not excuses but in the circumstances the patronising tone set by the captain and various other incidents on 2 earlier sectors (which do not have an effect on the fuel decision but had started to lead to a breakdown in communication and undermining of my confidence) meant that it was becoming increasingly difficult for me to assert myself to him. Now anyone out there who knows me will know that I am very outspoken and don't usuallly have a problem stating my opinion. I have asked here how to deal with this situation in the future, as my own experience is limited compared to some people here, and have been given some very good replies. In the future my FCO's will be out of the library in a flash, or I will refuse to stay on the aircraft. This will be followed up by a Flight Crew Report once the captain has put the extra fuel on because I can't see even him being daft enough to delay a flight for 300 kg.

Your second question. We had 3 minutes to reserve fuel once on stand. I would definitely have made a Pan call had we gone around or had we been asked to go again round the hold. I didn't make the call in the hold because we did have the amount that in good weather would have been enough. As it was we carried out the world's longest SRA. Again the attitude of the captain was one of not wanting to discuss the obvious, though I did try initiating the debate, and I resorted to making the list of planned actions in my own head. Who knows if he was doing the same. As is being currently and actively discussed on another thread in this forum, it is very difficult for an FO to take controlling action from a captain (especially one who has been flying for the company since befroe I was born, and likes to remind me of the fact).

Again these are not meant to be excuses, but just an insight that I have analysed my actions, found them wanting in some way and am trying to fix the holes in my knowledge. My bag of luck is a little bit emptier, and I want to make sure my bag of experience has been topped up by the same amount.
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