Yes, you're right; I must be getting crabby in my old age. Didn't realise you were a controller, surface wind, I guess you're allowed to comment. No, I couldn't do your job. Incidentally, last week I pulled off my first "are we down yet?" greaser in the 73. This after 1700 hours on type and about 17,000 total - pure luck I hasten to add. Hello again nightstop, I guess the future's sort of a yellowish/orangeish colour.