Winch-c.
I have stayed out of this lately for reasons known to a few.... but you talk absolute b****x!!!!!!!
Most of the engineers now civvie, are ex-forces. The pride of being part of a Search and Rescue Unit is not confined to aircrew!!!!!! And if someone is not proud of that then they should get the **** out.
Sorry, a bit angry now so time to go and have some calming down juice!!
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