Hang on a minute, I wasn't refering to CTC trainees I was refering to the 20 Oxford trainees, one of whom was mentioned incorrectly by Old bloke on the CTC thread. My response was to him. I have no problem with CTC trainees, they are some of the only individuals who bother to get selected into this industry. What the Oxford people have done is not be selected into the industry however - they have bought their way in for the short term and have no doubt lowered Ts and Cs for the long term.