Atlas Air & Pilots TA

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HYFLY?

Why did you warn the AACS crewmembers not to go on strike ?
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Do you really need to ask?
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This was quite useless, as it was never planned to support and join the mainline in this strike. AACS was prepared and willing to take over whatever was possible.
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So what you are saying is that all AACS pilots are “want to be” SCABS? I don’t think so.
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Just for clearification:

1. Mainline tried since the establishment of AACS to get rid of AACS. Even the downvoted TA in March had it included.
What, if any, support do you expect under these facts ?
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What facts? Mainline never tried to “get rid of” AACS they just wanted to be included, instead of having the flying that they had been doing previously been doing excluded from them. The TA kept them in it, and I think the new one does too. Which would mean that Mainline is now included, which is what they wanted. The only new exception is if the Law of the country doesn’t allow Mainline to fly there. That’s the reason AAMT created GSS.
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2. Mainline never got in contact with AACS to discuss any support for the pending strike.
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Does AACS have an organized labor group to get in touch with? If so, please call the Atlas MEC ASAP so they can start working together.
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And as long as the mainline intends to erase AACS there would have been never any support.
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Erase? I don’t think so, just be included.
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As long as you don't accept AACS and as long as you don't get control of you militant anti-AACS crewmembers, there can't be any support or cooperation.
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Cooperation needs to come in the form of an organization. Can you please point me toward an AACS union so they cooperate?
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3. AACS crewmembers have not been contacted by BALPA, the national IFALPA organisation, to support any Atlas mainline strike.
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That’s because you have to contact them and form a union. What did you expect? The Atlas MEC couldn’t very well have contacted your management to get in touch with you, could they? It think that they are the same?
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Is this an indication that not even BALPA was supporting this pending strike or just (another) lack of support and coordination between ALPA and BALPA ?
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Go read the definition of struck work. It will answer your question.
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4. There would have been as well no legal possibility for any support. The only option would have been to report sick.
Only a quite normal daily number of 5 crewmembers (ex-mainliners ?) called in sick - that was all the support you got.
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We never went out on strike so, hence the normal support level.
What are you management, how else would you know that? If so I might as well just quit now, it’s like trying to P*ss into the wind, you just can’t do it.
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(Most) AACS crewmembers agree with your arguments for a contract, but

* as long as a common hotel and a mixed crew (mainliners & AACS) has many times to be considered a hostile enviroment,
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I think if mainliners were included it would stop. Remember, AAMT did this not the Pilots of AACS and any hostilities are unacceptable.
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* as long as there is no cooperation and coordination between you and AACS for an improvement of our work and
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AACS really needs a union so they can coordinate or be put on our same seniority list.
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* as long as you don't accept AACS as a part of Atlas and be willing to understand the reason for this part of Atlas
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AACS is not a part of Atlas, you don’t believe me, just ask AAMT. Otherwise we would be on the same seniority list.
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you are dead wrong to expect anything which supports you.
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What?
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AACS crewmembers have offered their hands since the first contact with you - but it has been and is still being ignored.
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If so then why haven’t each one of you joined the union? What kind of organized effort are you capable of?
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Most, if not all, AACS crewmembers would like to improove this relationship for obvious reasons, but we are getting tired of holding our hands in your direction
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I’m starting to repeat myself.

Bottom line, Mainline was worried that AACS was set up as a SCAB outfit and they are pissed (mad) about it. From what you have said, they were correct to think so. We wanted you guys the entire time to be put on our seniority list. We don’t mind having Foreign Bases staffed with Foreign Pilots. Like I said before, we just wanted to be included, under the same rules. Don’t give me the same BS about AACS was created because of British Labor Laws. If AACS was for that, then what the heck is GSS for?

If the new T/A’s scope clause is the same as the old one, Mainliners will now be included, but AAMT still gets to keep us separate. Now AACS guys, will have supper seniority over the Mainliners who have worked at Atlas for much longer, however the original AACSers will not work under our T/A with any of the same protections. What is good is that all new positions and new hires, whether they are foreign or not, will go on our list, under our contract. So, through attrition you guys are “bye bye.”

Now what I see happening is you AACS guys will want more money and better work rules, just like the mainliners. I hope that you guys get mad at AAMT for creating this turd and demand to be put on our list. You guys all have personal contracts, wouldn’t it be nice to have only one contract?

Bottom line is that you know why AAMT formed AACS, from what you have said, they would have all been SCABS. So, now you want to play nice nice?

Go figure!