Alfred; yes, it's also my understanding that there are "issues" with HMS Sultan moving and, I'd heard that 2020 was the date being mooted and not all of Sultan would move either, some units remaining at Gosport. There are a number of factors regarding the financial situation, not least that the value of the land that was thought to be released by the sale and relocation to St Athan is now less, plus the fact that borrowing huge sums of money for a PFI isn't exactly easy for organisations such as the Metrix Consortium at present. As I said, I was expecting some sort of statement before Christmas but I presume that all will now be revealed sometime after the next election. I do have a vested interest but, at the end of the day, would a move to South Wales be enticing?