Advances in aviation systemtic safety, CRM, TEM and automation etc have all contributed to making air travel very safe. Why is it then with all these levels of protection that it is still possible in a modern multicrew airliner for crew rogue actions / violations to be accepted or even endorsed. Is life so cheap in indonesia that greed and loss of face comes before what is safest? If these issues can not be addressed it is unlikey Indonesias' aviation safety record will change.