Well, here it is, almost into December 2009 and the captain in question in this thread of July 2009, has never been returned to flying for United Airlines [hl](and never will )[/hl]
How VERY silly of you. And you KNOW "based on the facts" that he will never return to flying for UAL? Well, let me tell you the FACTS....he will either walk away with AT LEAST SEVEN FIGURES or he will return to the cockpit within 90 days...FACT!
yet this Purser that many of you were so sure had caused a problem is flying to her hearts content. She has had and continues to have all of her crews support...especially the cockpit.
Yes, because SHE does not have ANY authority, so has no case to answer for exercising same. As for the "support" you suggest, where was it the might of the incident when she extolled ALL the FAs to disembark with her?!
So for those of you who posess the "know it all attitudes, as an authority on the situation or claim you were there," can all start removing your foot from your mouths. The facts speak the truth...you on the other hand were/are only making suppositions and, you are and were wrong, regardless of what you have posted or I'm sure will post.
Au contraire. I would politely suggest that you are taking the fact that SHE is working and that he is not as evidence of something OTHER THAN the facts of the situation. As has been said MANY TIMES HERE, there are certain "issues" the company has with this GOOD UNION MAN....most of which have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the incident....which, if YOU were "in the know" would already know!
The purser will continue to enjoy her holidays while the captain will be on the unemployment line...as he should be.
AND THERE IT IS! Judge, jury and executioner....all in the form of a bitter FA who forgot to check the "PILOT" box on the application and is now distraught over being a servant, err, I mean "safety professional."
What really boggles the mind, is that, those aforementioned, just can't grasp that this captain was grossly flawed in his actions....yes, I said it...a captain was wrong...oh my God...any of you having chest pain?
Right, wrong, lack of judgment in exercising authority/responsibility or not, YOUR complete lack of professionalism is clearly saying volumes about you...as is
It's a new world out there guys.
Sexist!
Captains aren't given respect just because they are a "captain."
Again, you are mistaking your disdain for legal standing. Did you miss the first day of CLR? Just in case you did, the FIRST THING THAT WAS SAID...AND WRITTEN... is "The Captain Is In Charge." Or simply read your FAOM!!!
As for respect, as a FA, what would you know about it? Why is it that when things get too hot for FAs to handle, they come to the Flight Crew? Must be because they are big strong fellows....or COULD it be that CAPTAINS HAVE ALL THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO AS THEY PLEASE, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LAW AT 35,000 FEET?!
They have to earn it
They already did, most over a 20+ career and thousands of hours of doing what escapes you!
...the "left seat" doesn't guarantee it any longer, just as someone who is a physician doesn't automatically have respect. They too, must earn respect over time. Many people have important jobs and they have to earn respect everyday. Ya know, I'd think some of you must become frightfully tired with the effort of, not only putting yourself so high on your pedestal but keeping yourself there.
And THIS is the mindset that is killing airlines like United Airlines. Somehow, somewhere along the way, Flight Attendants FORGOT who they are and what they are. Sure, you know how to shout a few commands and open a few doors..BFD! How many times in a career do you do that?! So, what is it that you DO ACTUALLY DO? Ah, yes..."chicken or beef?" "More tea, sir?"
The
Captain in question was asked, as part of the aftermath to the safety investigation do what UAL calls "a psychological evaluation." As I have said, he is a high profile union man and UAL, which sued ALPA in 2008 (and he may have been one of the people under scrutiny during that period), has sought to lay the groundwork for future action, should it be warranted.
Having filed the required Flight Safety paperwork, he CANNOT be fired for this event. However, as stated above, he has recently had surgery, is concluding his company mandated evaluations and is about to enjoy a nice Christmas and New Year at home, with full pay and a return to service after a routine, required Sim Check in the new year.
So, you have your details. The company is after him, for reasons OTHER THAN this event. The FA in question was returned to service, as usual, because without proof that she followed through with her threat, and because the threat was NOT said directly to the Captain, but THROUGH a First Officer, it ended up being a "he said, she said." For those of you who do not live in the USA, that means an almost certain lawsuit if the company did what they SHOULD have done, fire the mutinous FA! Did I mention it was a "she"? And I will leave race out of it!
'Nuff said or is it?...............
HERE IS A PRIVATE MESSAGE I RECEIVED, COMPLETELY UNSOLICITED YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS INCIDENT. AS YOU MIGHT NOTICE, THERE IS MORE THAN A LITTLE "THREATENING" LANGUAGE IN HERE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE THE NORM WITH UAL FAS THESE DAYS...MUST BE THAT LACK OF RESPECT THING THEY HAVE GOING FOR THEM..
FOR ALL TO SEE:
United diverts to MIA
City Fan,
You might be fooling some of the people in this thread but not me. I was there...you weren't. The Gen Decs had been completed and passed to cockpit approx. 12 minutes after take off. In your post, I read that the Gen Decs started the entire incident...how wrong you were. You led everyone to believe that you know the truth and that I do not...we both know you're full of **** and a liar. Now, should you actually be the captain from this flight...you're still full of ****, a liar and out of a job and we at United are thrilled you're gone...you are a dangerous pilot.
If you post anymore "stories" leading readers to think you were there and know what happened first hand, there are eleven fight attendants and a First Officer that are just waiting to pounce on you and show everyone that you have NO clue what took place....we do!!! Make this email public if you chose...makes no difference to me...or are you embarrassed to do it? I'd be VERY embarrassed if I were you.
Based on Facts
As you can see, "Based On Feces," I am nether embarrassed nor afraid of your stupidity or threats. As for pouncing on me, I would prefer you save that for your layovers with your "buddy bidder." (That IS why you fly those flights to South America, right?) What gave you the impression that I was your bitch?! Or would act like it here?!
Hate to tell you, but I am not exactly quaking in my boots from keyboard cowards like you, who threaten people in Private Messages. YOU can say whatever YOU want. Unless you were the purser, then EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW IS SECONDHAND CYA AT BEST! AND, if you thought it was all so cut and dried, what is YOUR reason for not leaving with the Purser in MIA? You could be a hero with your buddies if you had done that, couldn't you? Oh wait, it would be YOU on the unemployment line, right? Tough market for someone with "coffee, tea, or me?" skills, isn't it?!
Sorry, but you picked the wrong person to TRY and intimidate, you silly little person.