Westcoaster you really want to tell me you been there 5 years and you can make a statement like this "Hence the reason that a 5N is not flying into Europe or North America". How does Arik fly to JNB and London with the 5N 737 once in a while. Let me guess thats wet lease right. You may not feel embarrased for making such a silly comment, but I do mate. I think the authority with which you speak sort of fizzled out after that comment. I dont mind it when people mix up facts, but for heavens sake dont get defensive. Just pointing out a little porkie thats all. We can all be wrong every now and then. Put it behind you and move on.