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Old 12th Nov 2009, 09:42
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From Vol1:

... detailed in CAD 54, HKCAD Requirements ... (see below for link to CAD 54, Chapter 1 - General, Appendix C)

... nominated as the Commander of the flight can log the whole sector time as P1 or PIC

b. The First Officer (FO), or Relief Qualified Pilot (RQ), or Relief Pilot (RP), when acting as Pilot Flying (PF), can log P1 (U/S) for the time spent at the flying controls as long as he/she accomplishes both the take-off and landing. Otherwise he/ she will log P2
c. If, for operational reasons, e.g. crosswind outside FO limits, it is not possible for the FO to accomplish either the take-off or the landing, he/she can still count the time at the flying controls as P1(U /S) hours
d. The FO, when acting as Pilot Not Flying (PNF), can log P2 for the time spent at the flying controls.
e. The Second Officer(cruise relief) can record P2X for time spent at the flight controls
NOTE: Except for the Commander, time spent outside the control seat for rest purposes cannot be recorded as flight time


Conclusion: No-one except designated commander can log bunk time. It does not say captain have to be in the bunk (or not) while you log PICUS.

Reality: Many FOs log all flight time they are on board, even in the bunk. Possible the latter as PM time. Whether it counts towards duty time or overtime is a different issue, and should not be confused with logbook time. It should be quite easy to spot as no pilot should ever have a logboog entry (as FO) of more than 12 hours.

See also CAD 54, page 45-50 (Part 1, Appendix C)

Clear as mud!

Last edited by TheDrop; 12th Nov 2009 at 09:45. Reason: Inserted clarification of quote source
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