Biggus Are you saying I should trust what I am being told by N0 2 Group ? Let me think er NO I don't take anything as being true I am told until I am sure it is so. ------------------------------------------------ FYI baber was moved sharply across to head of the customer support team for chief of material Air within DES now. If you look at page 389 of HCs report - figure 13.6, you'll get an idea (if you can make out the references to safety in the CofM's roles) of that departments theoretical role. (i say that because the CofM role is different across the domains - and i haven't had a great deal of sight of what CofM(Air) get's up to regarding safety. However the main purpose of the role was meant to address issues across the DES and forces 'boundary' - including safety)