Forgive me for saying so, but this is all getting a little too competitive. Carson suggested a Stout product at 1105, but LM correctly identified the Stout Skycar at 1109. I don't see the issue here....if there was a silhouette of a Boeing 707 and I identified it as Boeing I could hardly claim to have won. Sure by saying Boeing I have indeed given someone a big clue, but thats the risk I take. Sorry Carson but have to agree with Graeme on this.