Roger...of course no offence taken why would there be ..as to it being an atc thread yes it is ..but the question asked SPECIFICALLY about NERC and it's morale problems .Let me let you into a little secret THE REST OF US ARE PRETTY PI$$ED OFF TOO !(See above!) As for moving onto the Nats site ..at least there we wash our laundry in private without the assistance of T****** T****** ,and other NON Nats bods putting their (generally)unhelpful oars in .Only a matter of time before the slanging starts from outside quarters!