I use the Sennheiser 450 and find them really good with or without the ANR on(obviously better with it on) Loaned hem to a fiend who uses BOSE in his aircraft and he said while a little heavier they work better. They don't have all the gadgets the Lightspeed or Bose have but I don't need those.. If you want them however the HMEC 460 has them is lighter and is cheaper..