I've got myself banned from Spectators several times for taking these people to task for the rubbish they come out with sometimes! But someone has to do it in the hope they will not be so adamant next time and stop flinging vile accusations like they have at that poor 380 pilot! I think they forget this is not just an enthusiasts forum where you can get away with incredible stories- real professionals look in here ......and are horrified at the garbage they talk!