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Old 20th Aug 2009, 11:23
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Reading the report I´m amazed in the first part, the co-pilot only had 222 hours real flight time on other aircrafts and it seems that the MD-80 it´s his first real one flown.
Are we reading the same report? Over here it says the copilot had 1276 total flight hours of which 1054 were on the MD-80. If you mean that he "jumped" from a small plane with just 222 hours almost straight to the MD-80 series ... is that so unusual? Just curious.

Anyway, for those like me not very well versed in aeronautical stuff, wishing for the very short version, it comes to confirm the preliminary report and what could be known by following this long thread:

-Seems that pilots forgot to set the flaps/slats lever to the correct position for their take off. In spite of being required to check it several times before take off and confirm the deployment on the panel indicators, it seems they just didn't follow the procedures/checklist and likely just "pretended they did". This type of human error in not all that uncommon, and has happened before on many occasions to arilines all over the world (at least over 50 times in the past 15 years in the US alone) to several types of aircrafts, several of which (about another 6 or 7 cases at least worldwide) have ended up in similar accidents.

This is the "single" most important reason for this accident. Trying to take off without the slats and flaps deployed in the correct position while having the maneuver planned for them to be, could have easily put this aircraft in an irrecoverable/near-irrecoverable position prone to disaster (not easily controllable low altitude stall fall under unfavorable circunstances such as tail wind or heavy weight).

-The alarm system (TOWS), that should have warned of such an incorrect take-off wing configuration in this aircraft, didn't sound, most likely due to a recent, intermitent, hard to diagnose (or shall we say "not with many very obvious warning signs") electrical malfunction, most likely in a single relay component.

This is the second most important reasons for this accident. Without the alarm, the crew probably never realized their mistake on time (if at all) and likely would've stop the airplane before trying to take-off if it would've worked.

All this, of course, is a rough, brief, down-to-the-point, minimalistic interpretation of what most likely happened. The final report will contain a slighty more definitive conclusion and certainly more extensive analysis of other factors.

To try to avoid more similar scenarios in the future it's proposed in short:

-Even better and more strict checklists/procedures implementations by airlines to try to get crews to not skip-over items or "pay lip service" to checklists without really, truly, verifying them.

-More frequent tests of the take-off configuration alarm system, i.e. before each single take-off instead of once a day.

-Better TOWS designs/diagnosis procedures (i.e. failure sensors/alarms, revised maintenance manuals, more frequent replacements of prone-to-failure parts, more fail-safe overall designs, etc).

Personally, I'm factoring the human failure factor as "unovoidable". All pilots know how critical it is that they absolutely, no excuses valid, check wing configuration for take off/landing and they will all tell you that it would never ever happen to them. But still, it has happened to all kinds of pilots, seasoned and newbies, in all kind of airlines, from flagship to lowcost, in many kinds of airplanes, from 737 to md-83 to even 747's, in many countries, from the US to Argentina, etc, etc. And they were all heavily trained to follow checklists strictly and to set correct wing configurations for each part of the flight.

Still, we are all but humans.

Hope the families of the victims of this accident can get some relief from at least being able to know the likely reason of their tragedy and we all hope this time around the lesson learned can spare more innocent lives in the future.

The lanzarote case, discussed more in depth several pages back in the thread, placed the pilots on a slightly aerodynamically "better" plane (the MD-83, with more powerful engines than the MD-82) on a better scenario (nice front wind instead of fairly strong tail one in Madrid, weight some 15% less than maximun instead of Madrid's 100%, etc). The MAP crew probably also reacted better/sooner (max power, lower nose, rather than Madrid's first reaction which included briefly lowering power assymetrically at some point and keeping a somewhat high attitude throughout).

But it's all academic as it's being said, since it seems the Madrid flight found themselves in some random behaviour that perhaps stalled one side of the airplane substantially more than the other making it harder to control, etc.

In Lanzarote, the pilots and witnesses admited the airplane BARELY making it. They are speaking of clearing the airport barrier barely meters from one of the wings and people in front of the airport throwing themselves on the ground on fear of the aircraft colliding on their ceilings.

It would seem that not all these low altitude stall situations at limit aerodynamic capability (i.e. max craft weight, MD-8x series tendency to nose up attitudes when stalled, etc), even when given prompt and correct corrective actions from the pilots, who nonetheless I would guess often delay action a bit in initial disbelief, are necesarily recoverable and can depend substantially also on obstacles, enviromental and random behaviour (i.e. one side of the airplane being significantly heavier than the other, crossed winds, low air density, etc).

I'm not saying that most of these situations can not be saved if the crew and craft puts 100% into it quickly, but I'm saying that perhaps not all of these conditions can be easily saved even if the crew does all they can and do it quickly, specially with obstacles at the end of short runaways, as some small factors can play a critical role when we are talking about limit situations.

I agree that, in this case, the crew SEEMS like they could have been acting "carefree" overall, going on about their business, chatting to third parties in the cabin or on the cell phone, etc. Although the delay was substantial at the end, it was exactly 1 hour long total and not all that radical. I find this case may be more of a self-inflicted rush by the crew than a "real need to rush". They had reasonable time to check for proper configuration during the LONG taxi, but spent some of it taking to other airplanes, etc.

And the whole operation was far from perfect when it came to following checklists, etc. It looks indeed like a bad crew combination as each seem to allow the other slips in procedures, etc. Also a bit shocking that in such critical short time, one of the pilot's reaction is to ask how to turn off the STALL/TAWS alarm voice and to substantially lower the throttle in one of the engines, unclear from the report whether to verify their initial reaction to the stall alarm of suspected engine failure (as voiced on CVR) or to help counter act an uncommanded roll or someting.

Judicially, the procedure is basically stuck, as the judge concluded that he wasn't gonna find impartial opinions from the technical panel of experts he assembled from the spanish union of aircraft maintenance technicians. He requested experts from the European agency but they declined to provide any to assist with the technical discussion to see if the two maintenance engineers indicted, the one that de-activated the RAT heater (his assistant was not indicted) and Spanair's supervisor for Madrid (who wasn't physically present or informed of the on-goings at the time), were guilty of any wrongdoing. They remain indicted and nobody knows how the judge is gonna be able to proceed now.

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