No longer in the case of the individualists such as you, TRSS, LHC (management surely), etc.
This is preceded by
It appears to me that the only self respect being enjoyed by younger guys stems from presently being employed and having a reasonable bank balance. This should not be confused with self esteem.
Your second link takes us to the problem faced by CTC guys, see above. BALPA could have no bearing on this yet all your previous postings seem to have you in the anti BALPA camp. Why? Surely it is better that a collective such as them take this issue on rather than the pilot community seperately each put their heads in the sand and hope that the axe is not going to fall on them or, more proactively, they could each get a brown tongue and hope they will be rewarded for the foul taste.
As you appear to be singing the same songs as those mentioned you fall into that camp. You have stated your opposition to BALPA but without stating good reason, in fact in another thread you actually posted to me an admission of confusion, if I am wrong I apologise but I'll search for it., so, other than your less than lucid and assumptive post #661, could you please state it. If you wish to put your reasoned views forward I may reassess my view of you. The other two remain beyond the pale.
My comment on disdain was a generalisation of those whose dogmatic views prevent progress in this discussion. It was not aimed at you but, as with anyone reading, if the cap fits....
I am licence holder as well. improvements in flight crew T&C's in the industry benefit me directly as well as any other professional pilot.
and let me re-iterate the specific words i have posted before:
"What I am not for is a union attempting to gain a wider subscriber base, for their own benefits, at the expense of its own subscriber base, with a campaign that is bordering on laughable with the premise of better T&C's for it's members in the biggest industry downturn so far."
1st sentence, quite correct and I totally agree, that is why the manouvre of sticking your head in the sand and hoping things will get better will not work. Management is more likely to take advantage by pulling your pants down and shafting you, hence my stance on collective action.
It is up to that collective, in this case BALPA is the only show in town, as to what that action will be and how much support it will be given. Do you think BALPA is some kind of Marxist conspiracy, N. Tebbit used to head them FFS. Do you have any idea what a union is about? If you are a member
you are it. As far as I am aware the promise of better T&Cs was not on offer but I write in ignorance, if that was part of an official release it should not have been issued, The only thing that can be promised is to fight to prevent degradation of T&Cs and, in better times, to negotiate a fair deal for all. If it were me I would also be looking at demanding that recruitment be increased to prevent the erosion of permanent FD numbers. But that would be up to the members of the bargaining unit. That may have a positive effect on BRK contractors.
Oh, and members are exactly that, not 'subscribers'. It is a union (look it up) not OK magazine.
What has been a continual failure here is the lack of perception that you have been in discussion with a pilot who has 'a certain degree' of management experience. someone experienced with an appreciation of both sides of the coin
Who he?
Can you see why there is a confrontational view toward unions?
Only dogma.
Searched for the worst T&C's thread but zilch.
If you think that FR itself itself is so influential within the industry that operators from Kabul to Asia copy a specific model to erode T&C's you are must be considering that FR is some great global conspirator to drive flight crew T&C's down as part of some great mater plan. They are down because of the conditions the industry is facing right now. They will rise, but when the market conditions can support them.
I said nothing about outside EU but money tends to have no conscience wherever it is. As for your last sentence, you either have more faith than a school of cardinals or are naive beyond my understanding.
operator costs have been on the increase while passengers demand ever lower ticket prices.
Can't say much about op costs as I dont have inside knowledge but pax dont demand anything, RYR offer the prices and Joe & Joan Average have gone for them but the business model is in MOL's hands. As far as I am aware no deputation of citizens or angry mob turned up at STN with placards demanding lower prices nor did Mr & Mrs Average send anyone round to my door with a petition. I think you may have this one skewed slightly. They can be offered because your T&Cs will pay for them.
If you *really* gave a damn, you would not be focusing your attention on FR as a basis of the level of T&C's you would be lobbying the government for a break up of OPEC to allow oil producing countries to sell their products in a competitive market not with production and prices dictated to by a cartel.
And MOL would pass on the benefits to you would he? Get real. Aside from that I would make 2 points, all airlines operate under the same conditions so the price of fuel has nothing to do with relative advantage or T&Cs and further, you underline why air travel is so competitive in that it is one of the few industries that operate free of fuel taxation. But I'll take it on board and drop Gordie a letter about it. Dont hold your breath.
socialist New Labour
Splendid example of an oxymoron.
Toodle pip.