al446..
I think you take my views out of context.
when you say, in a post that was specifically addressed to me:
I am not a pilot, but I used to hold the profession in high regard. No longer in the case of the individualists such as you, TRSS, LHC (management surely), etc. I hold lesser and more vilified professions such as social workers or baillifs in higher regard.
how can that not be taken as a personal assertion that view me personally in less regard than a social worker or bailiff ?
or
I reserve my disdain for those who dogmatically oppose a reasoned viewpoint and will do so with lies
so you are specifically stating that i am a liar and dogmatically opposing a reasoned viewpoint.
On the contrary, i have set forth facts concerning the industry on a wider perspective and provided information for discussion toward the wider picture, not a myopic view of individual scenario.
When there is a wider understanding of the picture then advances can be made.
i have said it several times now, and it seems have to say it yet again.
I am licence holder as well. improvements in flight crew T&C's in the industry benefit me directly as well as any other professional pilot.
and let me re-iterate the specific words i have posted before:
"What I am not for is a union attempting to gain a wider subscriber base, for their own benefits, at the expense of its own subscriber base, with a campaign that is bordering on laughable with the premise of better T&C's for it's members in the biggest industry downturn so far."
you are citing me as dogmatically opposing a reasoned viewpoint, however, i have asserted several times some of the factors that influence T&C's directly.. which have been been met with ulterior motive accusation.
yet you have the audacity to cite me as being dogmatically opposed to reasoned viewpoint !
That is what is referred to as "projecting"
What has been a continual failure here is the lack of perception that you have been in discussion with a pilot who has 'a certain degree' of management experience. someone experienced with an appreciation of both sides of the coin, yet instead of entering into a debate on how to improve the industry, all that can be submitted is accusation and insult and assertion of ulterior motives and of being a sock.
As a representation of improvement of flight crew T&C's this thread has proved so far to be an abject failure.
There was a chance to engage in a structured debate and discussion toward how improvements in the industry could be sought, yet any factual data provided is deemed as lies and met with indignant name calling.
Can you see why there is a confrontational view toward unions?
FR's practices haven't spread to others in the industry. If you choose, there is a thread running on "worst T&C's" people have posted T&C's that make FR's look positively golden. These T&C's cover all 4 corners of the planet.
It is being driven by an industry in great turmoil, facing a significant lack of liquidity. Airlines require a vast amount of forward liquidity to survive., that forward liquidity is little available right now and what there is it comes at a price.
If you think that FR itself itself is so influential within the industry that operators from Kabul to Asia copy a specific model to erode T&C's you are must be considering that FR is some great global conspirator to drive flight crew T&C's down as part of some great mater plan. They are down because of the conditions the industry is facing right now. They will rise, but when the market conditions can support them.
T&C's have gone down as operator costs spiral ever upward and passengers demand ever lower tickets and airlines have little control in a vast amount of factors that dictate their operating costs.
Let me reiterate this point again, operator costs have been on the increase while passengers demand ever lower ticket prices.
All the airlines have to work with is the costs they directly control, it doesn't matter if it's FR, BA, EZ, KLM, AF or Big Bertha Air.
I have edited the post with the non functioning link to include a link to the image
(it's also here) if you care to overlay the relative cost of air travel to that chart, you will start draw an idea of the peaks and troughs in the aviation industry and the points at which flight crews have seen a reduction in T&C's.
If you *really* gave a damn, you would not be focusing your attention on FR as a basis of the level of T&C's you would be lobbying the government for a break up of OPEC to allow oil producing countries to sell their products in a competitive market not with production and prices dictated to by a cartel.
By the way, under socialist New Labour there has been a huge increase in the amount of public servants employed at the taxpayers expense. many civil servants are on starting salaries more than a starting first office could ever hope for, with senior civil servants drawing incomes significantly higher than the private sector could sustain.