Hi Bruce, Thanks for your response which was well considered and written without venom. As you may attest from previous exchanges we have had, I am quite happy to join debate in this way and actually prefer it. So to answer you -
your post is quite interesting in that you either hold pilots in disdain, or you hold people that choose to consider varying contributing factors that result in a situation and use factual data to determine the most effective way forward in disdain.
what you seem to value are those that subscribe to your point of view without challenge.
I think you take my views out of context. I reserve my disdain for those who dogmatically oppose a reasoned viewpoint and will do so with lies (in the case of this thread it was the disinformation re the law that kicked me off), insults, sarcasm when not warranted, etc. What really annoys me are those whose bottom line is "You were not forced to sign the contract and if you don't like it **** off.", hardly the musings off an intellectual giant, nor indeed a rational person to my mind. I suggest that you review my postings on this thread and you will find that I have always tried to ensure that my contributions have been accurate, measured and respectful, it is only when those of opposite view drag the tone down that I will respond in kind. You may argue that I should not 'bite' but I have been arguing an anti-racist point of view in our pretty racist area for years and I've gotten used to it. It is only when I touch a nerve that they start bleating that they will report me to the mods, an empty threat so far. Perhaps I could give special mention here to Day Dreamer who has tried hassling me first on the thread then by uninvited PMs, so I told him to stop harassing me then he started by email, 2 so far. So to the above list you could add intimidation.
At the risk of labouring the point, I have no problem in meeting the challenge of those who oppose my views but let us be fighting (or arguing) like with like.
however, you take the assertion of factual data, no matter how blunt it may be, pertaining to a specific issue and respond by asserting that you hold those that do not subscribe to your rigid viewpoint with disdain.
Untrue, I reserve my disdain for those whose 'factual data'deliberately distorted or rumour traded as fact, my impression of them as company place men remains. As for my viewpoint's rigidity, I am flexible to the extents of my idealogical framework, as opposed to dogmatic, but when the discussion is 'union or not' there is not a great deal of manouvre.
Unfortunately your link did not work, may be my settings following Firefox upgrade, but no matter, your points are not lost, they have been business truisms since pre biblical times however you do not mention shareholders or management costs inc eg MOL so is not a rounded picture. As an aside, RYR's business model is not set in stone and could be tweaked to find the extra towards staffing costs but that is another discussion. Without collective action there will be no brake on how low MOL will drive staff costs, therefore your wages and, by ripple effect, across the industry. You can see yourself how RYR's practices have spread to others (EZY, BMI Baby) in UK and has gained much ground in EU, it is what unfettered capitalism does. That is not a Marxist POV, I have only read Groucho, it is from observation. I have seen it in other industries and if you guys don't do something soon you may find yourselves being paid less than a lowly civil servant. Any counter to that in the form of 'won't happen' does not stand up to scrutiny.
I trust that you have not found this derisory in any way and, hopefully, informed.