Hi EGT, Thanks for that honest feedback, thats exactly what I want!, I considerd remustering into airframes, but with promotion just around the corner I feel a bit weary of throwing that away, although in the long term it may be a wise move. So really I need hands on, that is what it boils down too. Another gent has metioned working locally at a company in my own time, do you think that would count as hands on?, as you can tell I am really passionate about doing this, I wanted to do it in the RAF but flunked the maths, although I have spent considerable time at college to bringing it up to standard. As I have said I am willing to do anything to work in the Industry, I know alot of people moan about poor salarys etc etc but I am not after money, just job satisfaction!!