Caneworm, I suggest that the Balus goes into JQ colors because they have no intention of handing them back! As for the other gentleman who sees me as surplus, you are quite correct, but as I have three sprogs working at the sharp end for different companies (which sometimes makes for some rather uncomfortable family B-B-Qs at times) even though I am no longer a working Airline Pilot, I am not completely brain dead, and as I never done anything else to earn a quid, I take a keen interest in their careers, indeed in what happens to all of you and the companies you work for, it is interesting to see history unfold in the Aviation industry, so humor me please!