Hi to all you poster's we are now getting some reasonable debate. I'm still waiting to hear the conditions that will apply if this is approved and have been told that it has been by a lift driver but no conditions maybe they would prefer to keep quiet so they can continue to fudge the rules. Islander Jock re opening height what about MB2's and for those who don't understand Tandem MB's they open at 5000' so they can be quietly drifting down in the grey for several minutes the only thing is they will hear is the increasing sound of that IFR baron at 180Kts bearing down on them Thanks Mad Mick. The last time I watched them see previous post those I mentioned were MB2's.We shall wait and see cheers QNIM