As far as I'm concerned, the only people who have a right to bitch about fatigue are the long haul guys who have done it. My last 10 years at Saudia were on the MD-11, and that was a great gig. Always double crew with a crew rest module, first class all the way. Even with all the amenities, my ass was still dragging. I feel sorry for the Emirates guys as some time you just CAN'T rest. There is no solution and it's not gonna change, that's the depressing part.