Thomas C From what I have heard you are correct. Also does the Explorer not have a tendency to ' weathercock back into wind' and there is not a lot you can do about it. Surely a helicopter that will hover side on to a 50 knot wind is a better bet when operating into an ad hoc site, at least it will point the way you expect. No 'Bl**job' for me on this one!! As you I expect to take a hit on this one, so I'll take one step back and start digging.