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Old 28th Jun 2009, 22:27
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Originally Posted by protectthehornet
I recall when the 737 flipped on its back due to rudder problems...how quickly we got hardover training.
Don't forget that Boeing fought it tooth and nail at the time, and spent a considerable amount of money coming up with a report that tried to shift responsibility to the pilots. It took two accidents with the loss of all on board before Boeing acknowledged there might be a problem.

Originally Posted by Will Fraser
Or, could the PF, acting on cue, push the nose down, even add power, though the a/c is anything but stalled?"
The opposite happened in two B757 incidents where a pitot blockage caused an overspeed warning, which caused the PF to retard the throttles and stall it, maintaining that action right through the stick shaker. It seems to be a human trait that we lock on to the first problem reported and try to solve that problem even in the face of conflicting evidence. The issue of human/machine interface is one that affects all manufacturers not just of aircraft, but of any complex machinery - especially one that enables something requiring as much safety and redundancy as air travel.
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