Hi leftseatview, I don't think Kal was referring to any Sopwith Camel! He was talking about a fruitcake known as " the camel " who weaseled himself into the MAS DFO position some 15 years ago. This camel was MAS A300 fleet manager/ check captain in the 1980's and he managed the near disasterous ground loop at the end of a landing roll after landing long and fast at KCH...it was his route check! And the silly check captain passed him! What a farce?