C130jbloke I can think of about 4,567 things I would chop before the BBMF and the Reds. Perhaps someone can start a sticky thread and we can see what things others would chop before them. How about Trident for starters? - oops, sorry that means the other 4,566 chopped items not required, and with a few bob change we can get the Brunty Victor airborne legally as well