Originally Posted by DownIn3Green
How did "Roselawn" get into this???...
By someone making incorrect assertion that Roselawn was a pilot problem and someone else wholeheartedly agreeing.
Originally Posted by P51guy
I hope you are kidding>
I am not. The stress in my statement is on "applicable", as in "applicable at the time of the occurrence".
Originally Posted by Excru
The FDR, CVR and NTSB put together still may never lead to reaching the right conclusion and in the end, compromises are made that satisfy everyone at the balance of future safety.
Much more often than not they do lead to the right conclusion, sometimes years or even decades after the accident. Accident investigators are not immune to mistakes but they are not supposed to be actively seeking for compromises that satisfy everyone, lest they want to be accident investigators only nominally.
I'm speculating here as to the cause of the Colgan accident, however it's certain that being awoken from microsleep by stick shaker does not lead to immediate top notch perception or cognition.