Max, I wasn't having a bad day and I didn't miss the point of your post. I was merely attempting to answer your query about rules for Atcos when initiating emergency callouts.. .The point I was trying to make, was that we don't work to set rules (ie If an a/c has an engine fire, an Atco will initiate a.....). .Yes, we do have guidelines, but more often than not, common sense and experience have more of a bearing on an Atco's decision. That's why we need the full picture from the pilot, as to the nature of the problem.. .. .Sleeping's permitted, dribbling isn't!