Capt Airprox - from earlier, all I know is that the aircraft was handed over already having declared a Pan. I also agree that pilots should not be wary or afraid to declare a Pan if things are not as they should be, from my point of view as a controller, it is a lot easier to get things organised on the ground when the aircraft is a distance away rather than wait until they are turning onto a six mile final and then say - "By the way, did I forget to mention ....." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />