Northerner
sorry, but I disagree. From my own perspective as an ATSA 2, I've watched my Unit systematically decimated by poor management; new technology sometimes not fit for purpose; well-meaning, but weak, Union representation; and a big fat zero in terms of actual meaningful support from the other grades (and from Prospect in particular) within the building - all of whom are more than aware of our circumstances, and have been for as long as I've been there.
All this from colleagues big on words of comfort/support/consolation, and who would all expect us to jump through hoops to help out if things went tits-up, but of absolutely no help in offering genuine SUPPORT as alluded to in Minesapint's post. They all say we're a vital part of the team, but consistently refuse to do anything more than just spout rhetoric - so what sort of message do you think that gives us?
Look at this thread - its all about what the ATCOs want from the pay deal. There's no discussion or involvement with anybody else - the rest of us just have to watch from the sidelines. What I am sure about though, is that the vast majority of ATCOs across NATS neither know or care what the future holds for ATSAs as part of the NATS team, and even less for our small group of 14 support staff tucked away on top of that big shiny tin toilet at Heathrow.
Some of these colleagues I've known for nearly 20 years, and I'm honoured to consider them as my friends outside of the work environment, but when we're inside the situation is changed - its the ATCOs and everybody else. So, yes, unfortunately - I tar you, them and all the rest of you out there 'with the same brush'.
If you doubt my words, send a PM to Gonzo or DC10RM - they are both honest and realistic guys, and I'm sure they would confirm what I see as the reality of our situation, and also that of the ATSAs across the Company.
now back to the ATCO pay deal...