I don't think we're going to get the company changing their mind on these out of seniority commands but how about getting the aoa to pursue a similar deal to what was done with asl; ie 3 pax cmds for every ftr cmd on the 400. That way we'd get both lists moving. Sure some freighter cmds will get deferred but at the moment so are many pax commands and these guys have been waiting 10 years. It seems in these economic times that the ftr guys are being protected but the pax guys are being left out to dry. we should all share the pain.